Brick Wall Solutions – Finding Helen Carnegie At Last!

This is the first installment of a theme based blog on brick walls in family history research and how to break them down. Initially I will be using my own examples but I also welcome input from others who have solved their brick walls using out of the ordinary resources or searches.

It is inspired by my finding last Saturday my gg grandmother Helen (Ellen) Ferguson (nee Carnegie) after looking for 32 years. I started my family history in 1977 and it was fairly easy to purchase the certificates but without dates and places an additional fee for a search was charged. Those were the days before BDM indexes, MIs, genealogy and family history societies (in Queensland), email, Internet and all the other resources we take for granted now.

Grave of John and Helen CarnegieEllen’s story is a sad one and there are still gaps in it but over the years I have gradually built up a picture of her life. It starts in 1862 with her birth in Montrose, Scotland where she was named Helen. For most of her life in Queensland she was known as Ellen. Her parents John Carnegie and Helen Stratton made the decision to immigrate to Queensland in 1865 with their daughter Helen and son John. There are numerous brick walls here which will be the subject of other blogs but this one is Ellen’s story.

We next have direct reference to her in 1880 in Brisbane when she gives birth to her son James Carnegie, father unknown. She gave her name as Ellen Carnegie on the birth certificate. The birth was certified by Helen Carnegie, mother but it is not clear if this is Ellen or her own mother Helen Carnegie.  James complicated the picture by giving his mother’s parents as his parents on his marriage certificate.  It is not known if he was raised by them or not – it is a bit ambiguous and yet another brick wall to discuss later.

The next milestone is her marriage to Alexander Miller Ferguson in 1889 in Brisbane.  She married under the name of Helen Carnegie. Alexander was a 37 year old watchmaker from Thargomindah in western Queensland. It is not known how he met 26 year old Helen. There were no children from the marriage.

There are references to Ellen, Alex and James in a letter written by Ellen’s sister Clara’s husband Charles Davis in December 1894 from Fremantle, Western Australia where he was working on the goldfields at Coolgardie.  He refers to Alexander as Alick, Helen as Nellie and James as Jim but Jim is grouped with Helen’s parents and indicates that he is living with them not Alick and Nellie.

Karisma, Toorbul - Carnegie family homeAlexander is described on electoral rolls and post office directories as a watchmaker or jeweller. Between 1901 and his death in 1925 he is listed as a watchmaker and jeweller, labourer from 1915, in Eulo, not far from Thargomindah. It is not known if Ellen was with him – she is not listed on the electoral rolls for anywhere.

The next definite reference to Ellen was her arrest in Brisbane in December 1899 for drunkenness and her first of many visits to prison. During 1900 she was picked up numerous times and charged with drunkenness, disorderly conduct and obscene language which usually incurred a fine or imprisonment. She obviously could not pay the fines and usually did the time in prison although on some occasions the fine was paid by someone. This could have been her husband Alex, her son James who would have been 19/20 years old or perhaps even her parents.

This behaviour continued through 1901-1902 with Ellen adding prostitution to her list of offences. It is assumed that she had no means of support and prostitution was one way to earn money to buy the alcohol she so desperately needed. My last reference to Ellen was her release from Brisbane Prison in 1902.

I made exhaustive searches of prison and police records post 1902 but never found her again. I started to think she ended up dying as a Jane Doe and even looked at inquests where the deceased was unknown. Another possibility was that she went into an asylum but those records were permanently closed in Queensland back then.

Her father John Carnegie died in September 1903 and Ellen is not mentioned in his will, nor is his grandson James Carnegie. Her mother Helen Carnegie died in 1913 and in her will she left everything to her daughter Clara Davis, nee Carnegie.

Ellen’s husband Alex Ferguson died in Brisbane in 1925. He had been transferred from Eulo to Dunwich asylum in 1924 as he was ill and had no one to care for him in Eulo. He stated that he did not know where his wife was. His admission record stated that he arrived in Queensland in 1886 and had spent 5 years in Brisbane and 20 years in Thargomindah as a watchmaker and jeweller. He married Helen in 1889 so he must have been on a visit to Brisbane at the time as he listed his residence as Thargomindah on the marriage certificate.

Over the years as various online resources such as Queensland BDMs, Brisbane cemeteries, Toowoomba cemetery (Toowoomba Prison was where they sent females in the early 1900s) and digitised newspapers, I checked them all for references to Ellen or Helen Carnegie or Ferguson.

In preparing for my talk on Convicts & Criminals and accompanying Handout at the Mulwala Family History Expo in November 2009, I looked at new resources and as always, used my own family names to search. Queensland Police Gazettes, which had been closed to public access when I did my original research, have now been digitised by Archive Digital Books Australasia and it is possible to name search them. Entering Ellen Ferguson returned five hits, four of which I knew about.

The fifth one excited me because it was for an Ellen Chick alias Ferguson in 1904 for vagrancy in Barcaldine. If she was mine it should have been Ellen Ferguson alias Chick so there was one doubt, the second was why and how did she go to Barcaldine if she was mine. The vagrancy fitted but the entry was only notification of an arrest and did not give personal details. A search for Ellen Chick revealed that this was the only reference to her which was odd for a vagrant so it strengthened the case for it possibly being Ellen Ferguson.

Qld Police Gazette 1904. Ellen Ferguson is the 2nd entry

Interestingly, I had found references in the post office directories to an AM Ferguson in Barcaldine, a selector and meat company manager but as my AM Ferguson was in Eulo and Thargomindah I never followed it through. Now with this reference to Barcaldine I will have to go back and investigate if there was any connection between the two Ferguson families. The coincidence of a reference to Barcaldine is amazing.

I then checked Queensland BDMs online for a death reference to Ellen Chick but there was none which again was odd. I was disappointed but it was still a clue to follow up.

On the morning of my talk I woke early and started looking at emails and there was one advising that Queensland BDMs online had expanded their date ranges so I clicked on the link to do another Ellen Ferguson/Chick search. Perhaps I had missed something the day before or it would magically appear this time. Whenever I have searched for Ellen I have also searched for Helen as the two were interchangeable. There was still no Ellen/Helen Ferguson/Carnegie so I did the Ellen Chick search again and realised that I had not searched for Helen Chick.

I can’t begin to tell you how I felt when an entry for Helen Chick came up listing her parents as John Carnegie and Helen Stratton. It had to be my Ellen Ferguson but she had died in 1946, 44 years after being released from prison as an alcoholic prostitute. She would have been 84 years old – how could she have possibly lived that long and where? Now I have the agonising wait for the death certificate to arrive (approx 6-8 weeks) and hopefully there will be some useful information. The fact that her parents are listed accurately means that whoever the informant was, they knew Ellen’s real identity.

Stay tuned for the rest of this brick wall to come down, and in the meantime I will write about Ellen’s father and his brick walls.

Brick Wall Tips

  • Search name variations eg Ellen or Helen
  • Search spelling variations for both given and surnames
  • Check all available records
  • Keep revisiting the research as more records become accessible and online
  • Never give up
  • Tell others how you did it – inspiration and clues for researching their own brick walls

Comments

Helen Carnegie

I am trying to figure out the lineage for John Gordon of Cairnburrow who married Helen Carnegie in Scotland in 1590.  According to the website for Glenbuchat (Glenbucket) Castle, the castle was built on the occasion of the marriage of John Gordon of Cairnburrow and Helen Carnegie.  I thought I might turn up some information about John by looking for more information about Helen Carnegie.  On the Glenbuchat site, she is identified as the daughter of Sir Robert Carnegie of Kinnaird in Angus who had been an ambassador in the French royal court.  In 1701, this castle apparently came into the possession of a different branch of the family, the Gordons of Knockespock.

 

Obviously, I am working in a different era than the one that yielded information on  your Helen Carnegie.  I am wondering if you have any thoughts on how I might get through my brick wall.

Helen Carnegie married 1590

Yes it is earlier than the era I am researching. Have you also tried looking for more information on Sir Robert Carnegie as something might mention his son-in-law John Gordon. You say that you have already traced Helen, well I would try the father next. Tracing collateral lines can often throw up information that you won't find just doing direct lines. 

I assume you have looked for traditional records like testaments, sasine registers, registers of deeds, service of heirs etc. I'm a fan of In Search of Scottish Ancestry by Gerald Hamilton-Edwards but there are lots of Scottish how-to books that might suggest sources for Scotland in this early period.

Good luck

Shauna

I am trying to determine the

I am trying to determine the lineage of John Gordon of Cairnburrow in Scotland.  I have a number of Gordons of Cairnburrow in my database, but no John.  According to the website for Glenbuchat Castle, this castle was constructed in 1590 on the occasion of the marriage of John Gordon of Cairnburrow and his second wife, HELEN CARNEGIE.  I have been trying to figure this out by working through John's new wife. According to the Glenbuchat website, "my" Helen Carnegie was the daughter of Sir Robert Carnegie of Kinnaird in Angus who had been an ambassador in the French royal court. Obviously, I am working in an era much earlier than the one that turned up your Helen Carnegie.  I am glad that you managed to get through your brick wall.  I am wondering if you have any insight into how I might get through my brick wall.

 

Thanks,

Ruth Gordon Hastie

The Gordons of Abelour

Dear Ruth,

I always am interested in your Gordon history on Ancestry.com and the internet.

 

I have sent you this message also on Ancestry.com and hope it may reach you one way or the other.  I am trying to trace the Gordons of Abelour.  I think the original one was John Gordon of Coffurach who was the 2nd son of Patrick Gordon the 2nd of Letterfourie.  His mother was Helen Innes.

John Gordon of Coffurach (or Cuffurach) appears to have married the daughter of Jas. Harper (no more information here)

The Gordons of Abelour lived at Abelour House in the 1600-1700s-early 1800s, when the last Gordon, a James Gordon, went broke setting up The Abelour Distillery and sold the House and Distillery in 1833 to Alexander Grant.

Do you have any snippets of information re this family? I seem to have reached a dead end and we are heading to Scotland on 14 May 2011 and would like to know more about this branch.

I do hope you can help and look forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards,

Jill Gordon
Canberra
Australia

Email:  jillroy@gmail.com

 

PS We are direct descendants of the Gorons of Glenbuchat as well

Dear Ruth,I always am

Dear Ruth,

I always am interested in your Gordon history on Ancestry.com and the internet.

 

I have sent you this message also on Ancestry.com and hope it may reach you one way or the other.  I am trying to trace the Gordons of Abelour.  I think the original one was John Gordon of Coffurach who was the 2nd son of Patrick Gordon the 2nd of Letterfourie.  His mother was Helen Innes.

John Gordon of Coffurach (or Cuffurach) appears to have married the daughter of Jas. Harper (no more information here)

The Gordons of Abelour lived at Abelour House in the 1600-1700s-early 1800s, when the last Gordon, a James Gordon, went broke setting up The Abelour Distillery and sold the House and Distillery in 1833 to Alexander Grant.

Do you have any snippets of information re this family? I seem to have reached a dead end and we are heading to Scotland on 14 May 2011 and would like to know more about this branch.

I do hope you can help and look forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards,

Jill Gordon
Canberra
Australia

Email:  jillroy@gmail.com 

 

PS We are direct descendants of the Gorons of Glenbuchat as well

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